said he likes part of the dodd/frank banking law even though he's call about for its abolition. it seems to me when it comes to the substance, the press has somewhat fallen down on the job hereful tell me i'm wrong. >> no, i tend to agree with you. i saw stories the next day that say this is the mo real mitt, that he moved to the center, that this was really a significant thing and it was so reported. so i think it was covered. think you're talking mainly emphasis and was there enough emphasis on really disputable figures on both sides, i must say. they both fudged. >> and volumed. and just the pretty said 5 million jobs have been created during his tenure. that's a figure that does not hold water, and yet it seems to me that the idea of fact checkers, if you ask people about it, how can they talk about the substance? >> it's ironic. it was one of the more sub stannive debates. i would say this. i don't like the idea of media fact ce fact-checkers. if we're supposed to report how can we be the referee. >> wait a minute. what if candidates get up there and lie and distort and exa